Secret Sauce: Jony Ive

Another episode I wrote for Secret Sauce dropped this week! It’s the second one here. This was my second arc for Wondery, and this time it was all about Jony Ive and Steve Jobs. The research was fascinating- the Walter Isaacson Steve Jobs book does a really compelling job of asking whether or not someone has to be cruel to be a genius. I think the answer is obviously no, of course, and I’m happy that it seems like society has moved away from the answer possibly being yes in the years since the Isaacson book was published. That’s not at all Jony Ives’ deal either- he was kind of a quiet leader, it seems to me. It was a very cool writing challenge for this particular episode, trying to piece together how to keep the narrative interesting when Jony Ive had success after success after success in the years I was writing about. I think it came out nicely! And as always, it was a joy working with the hosts Sam and John, as well as my good friend Marina, who wrote the other episodes this season! Take a listen here.